i think they were defo tryin to rip me off. but they wanted me to say yes i wanted the car before they would give me any details. in this day and age its all done by computers. all they had to say was it would cost this!! to upgrade. they said the lowest they would give was £5600. i was just impressed with the titanium but think i will wait for the prices to drop a little more. i was planning on keepin my current focus around 18months ish. they had a focus new shape brand new with body kit in red with the 1.4 engines looks good but basic inside. that was £11500new.